AL-QADHDHAFI INTERVIEW

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP05-01559R000400380012-1
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 23, 2012
• Sequence Number: 12
• Publication Date: September 26, 1977
• Content Type: CABLE

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((TEXT)) (QUESTION) WOULD YOUR ATTITUDE BE IF, DESPITE
YOUR PREDICT EL CONSENTED TO RETURN TO ITS 1961 BORDERS
.01 AND THE PALESTINIANS MANAGED TO SET UP THEIR STATE ON THE WEST
BANK AND IN GAZA?
((ANSWER)) THOSE PALESTINIANS WHO FeVOR THIS PLAN ASSURE
01 ME THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT NOTHING LESS.THAN....A STATE ENDOWED
WITH ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF SOVEREIGNTY, INCLUDING THE MILITARY
RESOURCES TO PURSUE THE STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ZIONIST ENTITY.
r0: IF IT IS TRUE THAT SUCH A STATE WOULD fiRI-GGPR OFF THE.PROCESS OF
FREEING THE WHOLE OF PALESTINE, THAT IT WOULD SIGNAL THE DEATH
TOLL FOR THE STATE OF ISRAEL I WOULD NOT OPPOSE ITS CREATION??.?
?i ((QUESTION)) IN A SENSE YOU ARE SHUWJING THAT THE ISRAELIS WHO
REJECT THE CREATION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE ARE RIGHT,..,
((ANSWER)) I REPEAT, THE ZIONIST ENTITY WANTS NOTHING TO
?DO WITH ANY SETTLEMENT, WHATEVER IT IS-, CONSEQUENTLY, I'.
BELIEVE THAT THE PALESTINIANS SHOULD CONTINUE THEIR STRUGGLE AND
WIN THEIR RIGHT TO AN AUTONOMOUS EXISTENCE,. BOTH IN WARTIME AND_
?1 PEACETIME, THEY QLGHT TQ.BE ABLE, SIMULTANEOUSLY OR.AS ALTERNATIVESR
TO FIGHT AND NEGOTIATE WITH THEIR ENEMIES, DIRECTLY AND ON AN
EQUAL FOOTING, WITHOUT BEING DEPENDENT ON THE ARAB STATES CR THE
?; GREAT POWERS, WHOSE CONCERNS ARE ALIEN TO PALESTINIAN ASPIRAT.IONS.,
THIS IS WHY I DO NCT BELIEVE IN THE ABSOLUTE MERITS OF THE
GENEVA CONFERENCE,,,,
?; ((QEUSTION)) IN YOUR OPINION, THEREFORE, SOVIET POLICY TOWARD
THE CONFLICT HARDLY DIFFERS FROM THAT OF THE UNITED STATES.,,
((ANSWER)) NOT AT ALL. THE RESPE~TiVE POSITIONS OF THESE
?; TWO POWERS ARE A LONG WAY FROM EACH OTHER, THE USSR RECOGNIZES
THE PALESTINIANS' RIGHT TO SELFnDETERMINATION AND AT LEAST?
PROVIDES ARMS FOR THE FEDAYEEN ORGANIZATIONS: THE UNITED STATES
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HAS IGNORED THE EXISTENCE OF THE PLO TO DATE, THE DIFFERENCE
IS CONSIDERABLE?,,.
THE USSR IS A SINCERE.FRIEND ((SUBHEAD))
((QUESTION)) YOUR RELATIONS WITH THE USSR HAVE IMPROVED,
DID YOU NOT DENOUNCE IN THE PAST THE "IMPERIALISM" AND "ATHEISM"
OF THE SOVIET?
(PRESIDENT ALQADHOHAFI BURSTS OUT LAUGHING.)
((ANSWER)) YOU IAVE A GOOD MEMORYS THAT IS TRUE, BUT EXPERIENCE
HAS SHOWN US THAT THE USSR IS A SINCERE FRIEND, IT DOES NOT
MEDDLE IN OUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND IT FIGHTS ALONGISDE US AGAINST
IMPERIALISM, COLONIAL EXPLOITATION AND RACISM, AS WELL AS iN FAVOR
OF FREEDOM AND PEACE, AS FOR THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION, IT IS
~i A'MATTER FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CONSCIENCE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH HUMANITYIS GREAT CAUSES. THERE AKE MILLIONS OF PRACTISING MUSLIMS
IN THE USSR AND PROBABLY AS MANY ATHEISTS, BUT THIS DOES NOT 'NFLUENCE
~i SOVIET POLICY OR THE COURSE OF WORLD AFFAIRS.'
((QUESTION)) VOL TRIED IN VAIN To NORMALIZE YOUR RELATIONS WITH
THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWING THE ACCESSION To POWER OF PRESIDENT'
CARTER. WHY?
((ANSWER)) THERE IS NO REAL PROBLEM BETWEEN US AND THE AMERICANS.
THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARD US_IS UNFORTUNATELY BASED ON MALICIOUS
~i PROPAGANDA, WE INVITED THEM TO HOLD TALKS, POINTING!OUT THAT OUR
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION DID NOT JUSTIFY THE TENSION IN DOR RELATIONS,
THEY TURNED A DEAF EAR AND CONTINUE TU INFLICT SANCTIONS UPON US9
THEY REFUSE TO DELIVER TRANSPORT PLANES TO US WHICH WE HAVE PAID
FOR IN CASH, WHILE ARMING MANY COUNTRI#S'WHICH THREATEN
WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY: THEY STILL FORBID US.TO APPOINT,AN
AMBASSADOR TO WASHINGTON: YET THEY BUY ONE HALF OF OUR OIL AND
THEIR COMPANIES MAKE SUBSTANTIAL PROFITS IN LIBYA. THE ATTITUDE
OF THE UNITED STATES IS BOTH CHILDISH AND UNWORTHY OF A GREAT
POWER,
((QUESTION)) WASHINGTON CONSIDERS THAT YOU ARE THE INSTIGATOR
AND FINANCER OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST NETWORKS....
~i (COLONEL AL"QADt^DHAFI BECOMES INDIQNANT )
((ANSWER)) THAT IS RIDICULOUS! I O FY ANYONE TO FURNISH THE
SLIGHTEST PROOF TO SUPPORT THIS ACCUSATION, IT WAS LIBYA NOT
~i THE UNITED STATES, WHICH,, ENACTED HARSH LAWS TO QUELL'TERRORI'SM;
I KNOWN, I KNOW,' ASmSADAT IS OBSESSED BY THE IDEA THAT t AM
HARBORING CARLOS, YET CARLOS KILLED A LIBYAN PERSONALITY.DURING
~i THE ATTACK AGAINST THE OPEC HEADQUARTERS IN VIENNA' IF HE.
FELL INTO MY HANDS I WOULD BRING HIM To JUSTICE? LET US BE
SERIOUS; IF IT WERE TRUE THAT WE HAVE BECOME CARCOSI.A~COMPLIeES,
WHY HAS HE NOT CONCUCTED ANY TERRORIST OPERATION SINCE THEN?
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE UNITED STATES COULD BE INFLUENCED BY
ASmSADAT!S NONSENSE. lie
((QUESTION)) TO WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE WASHINGTON'S ENMITY
TOWARD YOU THEREFORE?
((ANSWER)) PRESIDENT t~ARTER DECLARE? AT THE START,OF.HIS MANDATE
THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD REFRAIN FROM SUPPORTING DICTATORSHIPS
ON THE PRETEXT THAT THE LATTER ARE FIGWTING AGAINST COMMUNISM,
I NOTE, HOWEVER,, THAT AMERICA PERSISTS IN KEEPING AFLOAT FASCIST
AND RACIST REGIMES WHICH TRAMPLE OVER HUMAN RIGHTS, IEXPLAIN
WASHINGTON'S ENMITY'TOWARD US BY THE FACT THAT LIBYA;HAS.PLACED
ITSELF RESOLUTELY IN THE OPPOSING CAMP="THAT OF THE ANTI*-
~i IMPERIALISTS,
CONFLICTS IN THE HORN OF AFRICA ((SUBHEAD))
PRESIDENT AL ,QACHDHAFi DENOUNCED A "PLOT BY WESTERN
IMPERIALISM!' AIMED AT MAINTAINING HOTBEDS OF WAR IN-THE HORN
OF AFRICA WITH A VIEW T "DIVIDING PROGRESSIVE FOR S." "IS IT
NOT STRANGE," HE STATE "THAT REVOLUTIONARY ETHIO.1 HAS TO
FIGHT AGAINST ADVERSARI S AS PROGRESSIVE AS ITSELF--SOMALIA ON
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THE ONE HAND AND THE ERITREAN MOVEMENT ON THE OTHER?
"WE ARE WORKING WITH A VIEW TO BRINGING THESE CONFLICTS; ALL
THE PARTICIPANTS IN WHICH ARE OUR FRIENDS, TO AN END," HB ADDED,
40; "ARMED CONTEST MUST BE REPLACED WITH DIALOG, SURELY,.A FORMULA
SOMEHWERE BETWEEN THE TOTAL INDEPENDENCE DEMANDED BY'THE ER,I'TREANS
AND THE INTERNAL AUTONOMY OFFERED BY THE ETHIOPIANS COULD BE
FOUND, IT IS TRUE THAT THE DISPUTE BETWEEN MOGADISCIO AND ADDIS
ABABA IS MORE COMPLEX, TRUEA- ETHIOPIA IS A CONGOLOMERATE OF
ETHNIC GROUPS AND PEOPLES.PROFESSING DIFFERENT RELIGIONS,AND SPEAKING
DIFFERENT LANGUAGES,, AND "THE .AMPUTATION OF OGADEN COULD SERVE AS A
PRECEDENT FOR COMPLETELY DISMEMBERING THE FORMER
ABYSSINIAN EMPIRE, AND IT IS ALSO. TRUE THAT IN GENERAL 1T IS
r?; PREFERABLE TO ABIDE BY THE PRINCIPLE UF THE INVIOLABILITY OF
BORDERS INHERITED FROM THE PAST, BUT THERE ARE SPECIAL CASES AND
I AM CONVINCED THAT IF THIS DISPUTE IS ONE OF THEMI,.A COMPROMISE
BETWEEN SOMALIA AND ETHIOPIA COULD BE ACHIEVEDD;" 25:26 SEP
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