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• Original Classification: U
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• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: February 3, 2012
• Sequence Number: 119
• Publication Date: September 29, 1976
• Content Type: CABLE

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AMEMB BONN FOR SMYSER AND CROWLEY QCA FOR GRAVER
QADHAFI DESCRIBES HIS INTERPRETATION OF TERRORISM
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COLOGNE DOMESTIC TELEVISION SERVICE IN GERMAN 1918 GMT 28 SEP 76 DW
(( ADEL ELIAS INTERVIEW WITH CHAIRMAN OF THE LIBYAN REVOLUTION
COMMAND COUNCIL COLONEL MUAMMAR QADHAFT IN 'TRIPOLI--RECORDED IN
ARABIC, GERMAN TRANSLATION SUPERIMPOSED, PATE OF INTERVIEW NOT
INDICATED))
((TEXT)) ((QADHAFI)) I DD NOT THINK THAT THE 'WORLD STILL NEEDS
TO LEARN WHAT A REVOLUTION IS. THE TERM REVJOLUTFON WAS DEFINED
LONG AGO. REVOLUTION IS DIRECTED AGAINST CERTAIN CONDITIONS WITH
WHICH YOU ARE DISSATISFIED. REVOLUTION IS, IF VOU. ANT'TO PUT IT
THAT WAY* AN OUTBURST OF RAGE AGAINST A SITUATI,CN YQU DO NOT ACCEPT.
TERRORISM IS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND HAS NOTHING IN COMMON
WITH. REVOLUTION OR STRUGGLE. TO ME TERRORI?M HAS A SPECIFIC
MEANI,NGI IT MEANS ILLEGAL USE OF THE POWER OF THE STRONGER AGAINST
THE WEAKER, THE OPPRESSED, WHO CANNOT DEFEND HI,MSELF,AGAINST THIS
FORCE,
THERE ARE MANY GREAT POWERS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR POWER BY
TERRORIZING THE WEAKER PEOPLES. THEY THREATEN TO WAGE WAR
AGAINST THEM, AND, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THAT 16 TERRORISM. ALL
THESE THREATS, THE THREAT OF THE NAVAL AND AIR FORCES CF THE GREAT
POWERS, THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WAR, AND FINALLY THE THREAT OF THE
UNITED STATES TO STOP ALL FOOD AID TO THE SMAILLER STATES OR THE
THREAT TO OCCUPY THE MINERAL-OIL FIELDS OF OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT IS
WHAT I CONSIDER TRUE TERRORISM,
(CQUESTION)) DO YOU CONSIDER THE USE OF FORCE IN;OCQUPIED
PALESTINA LEGITIMATE?
((ANSWER)) THIS IS A LEGITIMATE STRUGGLE. IF TWIS IS NOT
LEGITIMATE, WHAT ELSE SHOULD A LEGITIMATE STRUGGLE BE LIKE? IT WAS
ZIONISM WHICH UNLEASHED THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THO PALESTINIANS
PALESTINIAN ARMED STRUGGLE IS LED BY THE EALE6TINTAN LIBERATION
ORGANIZATION WHICH,'AFTER ALLi HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY MOST STATES
AND OFFICIALLY ADMITTED INTO THE UNITED NATION'S. THE ZIONISTS
STILL DESCRIBE IT AS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. IT SEEMS QUITE
OBVIOUS TO ME WHY THIS IS SO! THE ZIONISTS REGARD THE OPERATIONS
OF THE PALESTINIANS FOR THE RECOVERY OF THEIR~bOMELANC.AS TERRORISM
AGAINST THEM, BUT THIS VERY DESIGNATION OF THESE OPERATIONS AS
TERRORISM IS REAL TERRORISM. THE STRUGGLE OF PEOPLES FQR THEIR
USURPED HOMELAND IS A LEGITIMATE STRUGGLE. I DO~NOA''THINK THERE
IS ANYTH'$NG MORE LEGITIMATE IN THE WORLD THAN TiRAT.
(CQUESTION)) AND WHAT ABOUT OUTSIDE OF PALESTINA? DC YOU CONSIDER
HIJACKING OF CIVIL AIRPLANES AND THE TAKING OFiHOSTAGES LEGITIMATE?
((ANSWER)) IF THESE ACTIONS CAN BE SEEN AS PART OF OVERALL
STRATEGIC CPNSIDERATIQNS,IF THEY ARE AIMED AT MAKING THE RIGHT OF A
PEOPLE PREVAIL, THE RIGHT OF A PEOPLE TO STRUGGLE IN ORDER TO THUS
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ATTAIN ITS RIGHTS,. THE TO ME THIS IS ONE METHOD 9 MANY. IT IS SHOW
THAT A PEOPLE WANTS ITS RIGHTS. AT ANY RATE, SQC!H ACTIONS PIRACY,
WHICH MEANS THAT THOSE WHO CARRY OUT THESE ACTIONS MUST ACCEPT THE
RESPONSIBILITY, AFTER ALL THEY MUST ALSO KNOW-WHAT AIMS THEY PURSUE
AND WHAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE BY THIS, I PERSONALLY, ALID WE IN LIBYA,
ALWAYS SUPPORT THE JUST CAUSE. THE PEOPLE, HOWEVER, WHO FIGHT FOR
THIS JUST CAUSE ARE ENTITLED TO DECIDE WHICH METHOD THEY DEEM RIGHT
AND WHICH WRONG.
'((QUESTION)) EGYPT'S PRESIDENT SADAT C~AIMS'THAT YOU SET ASIDE
100 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR TERRORIST ACTIONS LIE PLANE
HIJACKING AND TAKING INNOCENT PEOPLE AS HOSTAGES.
((ANSWER"-LAUGHING)) ON ALLAH! IS SAPAT PERHAPS A BOOKKEEPER
IN THE LIBYAN MINISTRY OF FINANCE? BUT SERIOUSLY, LIBYAS BUDGET IS
FIXED DOWN TO THE LAST DETAIL BY THE PEQPLE;S GONGSESS.AND THE
PEOPLE IS COMMITTEES. NEITHER PUBLIC NOR SECRET EXPENDITURES ARE
INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEJ APPROVED By THE PEOPLE'S
CONGRESS, SADAT WOULD BE BETTER ADVISED TO WORRY.ABOUT EMBEZZLEMENT
AND CORRUPTION INSIDE HIS OWN STATE APPARATUS,
((QUESTION)) DID YO ENGINEER THE RECENT PUTSCH ATTEMPT AGAINST
NUMAYRI IN THE SUDAN? ARE YOU ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVOLTS
AGAINST SADAT?
((ANSWER)) I WONDER WHETHER THESE CHARGES ARE JISTIFIED. NO PROOF
HAS BEEN PRODUCED. WE ARE CONSIDERED PART OF THE SUDANESE PEOPLE
OR EVEN SUBJECTS OF SADAT, THEN WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SHARE THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ATTEMPT OF THE PEOPLES OF BOTH COUNTRIES TO
RISE AGA,'INST THE RULERS, IF THIS WERE THE QASE, THEN :1 WOULD ACCEPT
THE RESPONSIBILITY,
((QUESTION)) IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY YGU.ARE
JUSTIFYING RESISTANCE AGAINST NUMAYRI AND SADAT?
((ANSWER)) THE PEOPLES ALONE MUST ACCEPT THE. RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THE RESISTANCE AGAINST THE RULING REGIMES IN SODAN,AND IN
EGYPT, NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN EUTSCH ATTEMPTS
AND REVOLTS, WE FEEL RESPONSIBLE, HOWEVER, FOR THE REVOLUTION IN
THE ENTIRE ARAB WORLD, AND FOR THIS REVOLUTION WE DO,A.CCEPT THE
RESPONSIBILITY, OF COURSE,
((QUESTION)) THE MASS MEDIA IN THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC ATTACK YOUR
POLICY; AND WHAT IS MOREt GERMAN POLITICIAN STRAUSS'HAS ATTACKED
YOU PERSONALLY. HE DESCRIBED YOU.AS THE HEAD OF,A STATE WHICH
PROTECTS AND PROMOTES TERRORISM AND TERRORI?TS.
((ANSWER)) I KNOW NOTHING OF PERSONAL ATTACKS FROM THE FEDERAL
REPUBLIC, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS CAMRAIGI,MUST BE BORNE BY
THOSE WHO UNLEASH IT, THESE PERSONS MEAN NOTHIING TOME. NO MATTER
WHAT THEIR NAMES AREJ EITHER THEY DO NOT KfOW THE FACTS AND REALITY
OR THEY DO KNOW THEM BUT WANT TQ FAN THE FEELINGS OF'THE ZIONISTS
AND OTHERS AGAINST US. IT CANNOT BE DENIED THAT.ZIONISM ENJOYS
GREAT SYMPATHY IN GERMANY. STRAUSS WANTS TO WIIN THE SYMPATHY OF THE
ZIONIST VOTERS, JUST AS IT IS DONE IN THE UNITED STATES. 281918
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DW291945 REF DW290811Y (COLOGNE DOMESTIC TE`EVI5I,ON SERVICE IN
GERMAN 1918 GMT 28 SEP 7b DW--QADHAFI DESCRIBES HIS INTERPRETATION
OF TERRORISM)
GRAF FOUR, LINE THREE READ X X X AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS
AND LABELED THE PALESTINIAN FEDDYEEN TERR(JRISTS. THE PALESTINIAN
ARMED X X X INSERTING DROPPED WORDS.
GRAF SIX, LINE FOUR READ X XX MANY, IT IS'TO SHOW THAT A X.X X
INSERTING DROPPED WORD.
GRAF SIX, LINE FIVE READ X X X ANY RATE' SUCH ACTI-ONS ARE
PIRACY, WHICH MEANS X X X INSERTING DROPPED WORE.
CRAP TEN, LINE TWO READ X X.X HAS BEEN PRODUCED; IF WE ARE
CONSIDERED X X X INSERTING DROPPED WORD. BAROOAH/BA,29/1322Z SEP
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