AL-QADHDHAFI ADDRESSES CEREMONY IN SULUQ

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• Publication Date: April 5, 1976
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[Speech delivered by Libyan RCC Chairman Col Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi in the Suluq area
on the evening of 5 April at a ceremony to commemorate the martyrs of the Suluq deten-
tion camp--recorded]
(Excerpts] We feel awe as we stand with respect on this spot. Although it is located
in a small village--the village of Suluq--history is aware of the greatness of this
desert [words indistinct] which this desert and this village have recorded.
The village is as great as the greatness of the desert. Suluq is small but it is great
because of (words indistinct] which are in this village. [words indistinct] because
this place has several meanings and a heroic and great significance. In this place,
one of the sons of these tribes offered his soul for the sake of our freedom, namely,
'Umar al-Mukhtar. [applause] The aggression reached its peak and the enemy's ven-
geance against the Libyan people reached its highest point when the Italians gathered
the warring tribes, the tribes which constituted a threat [words indistinct]. These
tribes were gathered after the traitors had stripped them of their arms, after the
Sanusis had stripped these tribes of their arms. The Italians gathered these tribes
in the terrible mass detention camp in this village. Many of the sons of these tribes
were martyred under torture and from hunger and thirst. (words indistinct] who are
still alive among us were among the victims of this horrifying detention camp. The
Suluq detention camp and the ('Ukaylah) detention camp and others reflect the zenith
of the enemy's revenge on our fathers and ancestors.
Was the enemy able to (?destroy) freedom on Libyan soil? By hanging 'Umar al-Mukhtar
and erecting the horrible Suluq mass detention camp, were the Italians able to crush
the spirit of liberty, the spirit of resistance to wrest freedom? No. [words indis-
tinct] of fascists. The Libyan people are very happy and rejoice today. [words
indistinct] Libyan people [words indistinct] to prevent the Libyan people from cele-
brating on the ruins of the defeat of the enemies--Americans, British, Italians, and
Persians who betrayed these people. [applause] Italy's (?fleets) and detention camps
were not able to prevent the Libyan people after 60 years from [words indistinct].
If the tribes which live in the desert are belittled because they live in tents [words
indistinct]. They must read history and know, whether they are inside or outside
Libya, that they are indebted to these tribes. These tribes are the ones which kin-
dled the 1 September Revolution. (applause] These tribes may be poor but they have
made history. [words indistinct] were unable to record one page of the history
written by these tribes. We are proud that Arab Moslem Libya is a bedouin society.
If there is anybody who tries to dissociate himself from this feature, he is an
alien among us. We disown him and (words indistinct]. Even those who have been liv-
ing in the city for 20 or 30 years were in the desert and in the tent. [words indis-
tinct] saying that the march of the masses is the march of these poor and illiterate
tribes. We want to reveal the truth. Libya is supported and backed by a bedouin base.
However, those who keep harping on this tune know that they do not belong to these
tribes of to Libya and consequently do not belong to the Arabism from which the Libyan
people sprang. [applause]
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The Libyan people are the real embodiment of the Arab nation because they are a
nation of bedouins. This feature did not stop the Arab nation from spreading
religion,. civilization [words indistinct] and in the heart of Asia. The Persian
Empire was a high point of civilization, but a fake one. Who led the Persians from
darkness to light? This was done by the Bedouin Arab nation. [applause] Anyone
who objects to this trait is an alien. If he wants to live among us he must not no
beyond his limits. We are able to put everyone in the place where he belongs. [words
indistinct] This village is [words indistinct]. [applause] As long as this country
remains, it will remain sacred.
This small village and these bedouin tribes have a historic value unparalleled even
by the civilization of the pharoahs. [words indistinct] who forced the ancient
Egyptian people to carry blocks of stone on their backs for 20 years in order to
build a tomb.
The Egyptian people see no value or sanctity in the great pyramids because the pyramids
are a symbol of humiliation, slavery and suppression--a icing's suppression of pis
people. The Egyptian people and the intellectuals among the Egyptian people see ho
human value that merits glorifying a civilization which left the pyramids as a legacy
because the pyramids speak of a kin; ;'s suppression of his people, of slavery. There is
a serious cultural lie [few words indistinct]. The value of Suluq village is a
thousand times more precious than the biggest pyramid. [applause] becau.,e Suluq
al 1-h hhtar's
village is a symbol of martyrdom for the sake of right, of 'Uniar
martyrdom for the sake of our freedom, of patience in spite of the a1on;i inside the
annihilation camps, and of yet another victory of '.he people.
On 1 April several decades ago this camp was :,et up to supprees the Lit;:-an people and
their freedom. Today on 1 April, after several decades, this no',ular celebration is
being held to commemorate the victory over aggression, the freedom of the Libyan people,
and the immortality of the Libyan people. [applause]
I have told you previously that the Al-'Ugaylah area has no water. It is an area of
mudflats and sand and is empty of people. But historically, the value of the
Al-'Uqaylah is a thousand times greater than the Roman relics all over the world. The
Roman relics were built through the suppression, enslavement and humiliation of peoples.
When we think of Al-'Ugaylah., we think of the ruins of despotism and imperialism. We
celebrate the victory of freedom over the usurpers.
I see in the Libyan people real representatives of the Arab nation. Perhaps this is
the reason why the entire Arab nation is listening to what is happening in the Libyan
Arab Republic. [applause]
Brothers, we must speak about the deceived Al-Muhayshi because he was one of us.
Imperialism has bravely acknowledged that he has been able to score a victory over the
1 September revolution, but this victory is limited. iiou was imperialism able to
recruit a member of the Revolution Command Council and make him a spy? tie must testify
to the efficiency of the hostile intelligence services. must testify to the efficiency
of the hostile intelligence services on the one hand and we must admit the truth on the
other. We must not conceal the sun with a sieve.
The 1 September revolution was not based on deception, appeasement, or concealment.
The 1 September Revolution was established on a popular base, which means that the truth
should be told to the masses. That is why i want to tell you all the facts.
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in 1967 'Abd an-Nasir did not'say that we had triumphed. He did not say that the
fault lay with this or that person. We were taken by surprise when he submitted his
resignation and said: I will take the responsibility. We have been defeated. I am
responsible for this setback. The Egyptian Army has been destroyed and the enemy will
enter our homes. I must (?accept) a cease-fire because I do not want the enemy to
enter Cairo. 'Abd an-Nasir also said that if the Arab nation wanted to erase the
effects of the aggression, it had to do this and that.
'Abd?an-Nasir told the whole truth to the masses. In a few hours, all Egyptians
knew what had happened. As a result, all of the Egyptian people emerged, despite the
shelling of the Jewish planes, [words indistinct] 'Abd an-Nasir in the leadership and
command of the Arab nation. After finding out the truth, Zakariya Muhyi ad-Din refused
and said that the Arab nation would not accept any other leadership except that of 'Abd
an-Nasir as long as he lived.
The year 1973 is completely covered by fog. The Jews were 83 kilometers from Cairo
and the Egyptian people did not know that fact. On the eve of the feast [Ramadan],
the entire Arab nation did not know that the Jews were 83 kilometers from Cairo.
The year 1967 was one thing while the year 1973 was another. The Arab nation had met
.at the Khartoum conference and said that since we must accept responsibility, we would
offer aid and support on the condition that there would be no peace [sulk], no
negotiation, no recognition of Israel and no relinquishing of the Palestinian issue.
For these reasons, support and backing were extended. [applause] The result was
steadfastness, the building of armies, and the entry of the Arab nation into battle
under the banner of pan-Arabism. In the year of 1973 there was a political game and
not a military battle or liberation. At present, strategic Israeli goods are passing
through the Suez Canal. The blockade has been lifted. America has once again returned
to Egypt. The Egyptian people are confused. They do not know to where they are being
led. They are being led in the middle of a fog.
These are just examples of a point I want to return to; namely, the point of being
frank with the masses. I have given you two examples, one of a situation characterized
by falsification and vagueness which yielded bad results, and a second situation
characterized by frankness which yielded positive results.
The arms used in the battle in 1973 as a result of the Arab nation's battle [words
indistinct] were not used seriously. Had they been used seriously, they would have
destroyed the enemy. These arms were used in a theatrical play. [words indistinct]
We must admit that the hostile intelligence organs are. effective and have great ability.
On the other hand, we must be aware that the hostile intelligence organs are vying so
hard to combat us to the point that they have infiltrated the Revolution Command
Council. Usually, intelligence organs recruit trivial and ignorant people.
On the other hand, perhaps the positive point in this is that the enemy appreciates the
importance of the 1 September Revolution. (long applause and slogans) The enemy has
not carried out against any other country in the world what he has carried out against
the 1 September Revolution. The plot that the enemy has engineered against the
1 September Revolution is different from any plot that any enemy has engineered
against another enemy. The reason is certainly clear. Analysis has proven for us the
importance of the 1 September phenomenon. The 1 September Revolution is a civilized
phenomenon. The enemy knows its significance.
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We have obtained a report that was being sent to a foreign country from a party subor-
dinate to this country. This party told its country: What is taking place in Libya
is not something normal as you in the West imagine. You say on your radios that this
revolution is a revolution of bedouins and camel herdsmen, that the Libyans in North
Africa are backward, but that you appreciate the significance of oil. It told them:
(?yet you know) that camel herdsmen and bedouins who did not have oil were the ones
who invaded Europe and demolished its strongholds. [applause) It also tcid them in
the report: We warn you, 0 foreigners, against taking a simple view of what is taking,
place in Libya and against viewing it in the same way you view the events that are
being witnessed by the Arab homeland and the Third World.' It told them: We warn you
against disregarding what is taking place in Libya. What is taking; place in Libya is
the beginning of a new civilization similar to the'civilization which was resurrected
in the world by Islam. [applause) Brothers, this is proof. [words indistinct) This
has been testified to and admitted by the enemies. This indicates that the 1 September
Revolution is a civilized phenomenon.
Some of the sides which are hostile to us appreciated the importance of the revolution
and engineered a grave and bold plot, determined to invade the Revolution Command
Council, which is the revolution's leadership. Moreover, they wanted to sit in the
boat in order to sink it from the inside. It is a most serious thing to sit in a
boat and then to sink it. Hostile intelligence was able to sit in the boat. We admit
this fact; our revolution has been built on the basis of placing the facts in the
hands of the masses because it is the masses who are the ones [words indistinct] took
over authority. [slogans repeating As-Sadat's name) [words indistinct] the person
you speak about this. [slogans)
Naturally, we must admit this, we must admit the importance of our revolution and the
importance of the enemy and his extreme intelligence, which enabled him to recruit a
member of the Revolution Command Council. [words indistinct) because he considered
'Umar al-Muhayshi part of the political leadership. [words indistinct) our aim is
not the political leadership. Our aim is our people, whom we want to carry on the
revolution and the new Arab and Islamic cultural revival generation after generation,
building on facts and not on distortions. I do not want to protect myself as Mu'ammar
al-Qadhdhafi in order to cheat the masses. We want to protect values represented in
freedom and represented in the civilized principles on which the revolution is based.
This is an examination o. th leadership from the inside. I find it mentally difficult
to speak about it, but the truth is always bitter. I feel bitter when I speak about
this.
When it presents 'Umar al-Muhayshi, Cairo radio presents him not because [words indis-
tinct]. It presents him and says: This is one of the members of the Revolution Com-
mand Council, which is challenging us. It presents him on this basis. It says
[words indistinct] hear, hear, this is one of the members [words indistinct] with
his own words. This means that his own words are a (?threat) to his personality.
They want to say: See, see, this is one of the members, please hear his words and
expressions. It is as if the Egyptian radio wants to say this. I say that he was
(?part) of us once. However, [words indistinct]. However, the enemy was able to
recruit him, was able to recruit him some time ago.
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We found that reports on closed sessions of the Revolution Command Council used to
reach Rome and Cairo. We all wondered. Once we asked the general intelligence staff
to carry out a complete investigation on all telephone lines of the Revolution Command
Council in order to find out whether there was (?an open) line or a recording or [word
indistinct] (?or a bugging device) in the building in which we were meeting. The
investigation revealed that these lines were not being tapped and that there were no
bugging devices in the building. We were extremely astonished and baffled as to how
decisions adopted by closed sessions appeared in London, Cairo, and Beirut.
However, we now know the truth. We know that there was a hostile agent of foreign
intelligence inside the Revolution Command Council, as manifested in the recruitment
of one who was supplying this information to foreign intelligence. If 'Umar al-Muhayshi
were in prison now, such words would be substantiated. But for 'Umar al-Muhayshi to
speak and expose himself is a subject of challenge.
We are now exerting efforts with America (?to give us) the bribe which 'Umar al-Muhayshi
got from the Lockheed Company, as in the scandals which are surfaced concerning politi-
cians in Turkey, Japan and other countries you have heard about. The American Senate
is now investigating the bribes the Lockheed Aircraft Company has given to foreign
personalities to promote its sales. Now, I don't know if these words will prompt
America to take other measures; I don't know, but it interests me.
The company has now officially informed us that 'Umar al-Muhayshi met with its
(?representative) twice and that on one occasion the company put a special plane at
his disposal to take him to Georgia. We have found and now have the tickets and the
correspondence exchanged between the company and 'Umar al-Muhayshi. We contacted the
American Senate committee and asked it to give us the names of the Libyans who had
received bribes. The committee said that actually there is a Libyan name on the list,
but that it could not give out any names without the permission of the American Govern-
ment. We do not know if the American Government will permit the committee to give us
the names of the Libyans it has. However, our efforts are continuing with the American
Government in this regard.
Thus, as of now, as far as Al-Muhayshi is concerned, I have no right as the chairman
of the Revolution Command Council to speak about him because his file is now being
moved from the Revolution Command Council to the general intelligence building, where
it will be taken over by the counterespionage section. Now he is being treated as a
spy. [words indistinctJ will be submitted to a military tribunal, considering him
a spy who has spied against his country and who has disclosed to the enemy over the radio
secrets (?harmful) to the security of the republic and the armed forces and their bud-
get, defense capability, and strategic reserve, as well as the names of armed forces
officers, names of armed forces noncommissioned officers, and the positions of units.
The file of this spy will be submitted to the military tribunal because he is considered
a spy who has made public disclosures to the enemy, and all the world can bear testi-
mony to these public disclosures over the radio.
The information Al-Muhayshi has given about the armed forces and general military
training, the names of officers, and about the budget and development plans, whether it
is correct or not, is not our subject now. However, what is important is that he has
given information which will prompt the enemy to take a stand toward us according'
to this information.
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Perhaps Al-Muhayshi might be giving some true information to the enemy in secret
and perhaps broadcasting other adverse information publicly. However, in any event,
the talk that the air force has collapsed and that weapons have been amassed and
that military training is a crime--all such information will encourage the enemy to
challenge us and constitutes a danger to the security of the republic. As of now
for this person--and I deeply regret to say this--his file will be sent to the
counterespionage section of general intelligence, and he will be rr'ferre-1 to court
as a Libyan spy who has made disclosures harmful to the country's security and people.
The court will pass sentence on him [words indistinct]. At any rate, there are
clear legal measures that could be taken against this person. [applause] I hope
that the report sent to us from Egyptian intelligence is correct. A person of good
will in the Egyptian intelligence organ sent us this report. I hope that this report
is true so that the sentence against Al-Muhayshi can be commuted. The report has
told us that Al-Muhayshi is suffering from amnesia and is under the influence of
drugs. He has been examined by doctors at [name indistinct] hospital. He is suffer-
ing from severe pains in his back. If this report is true, it will be included in
his file.
I would like to reveal another fact. There are certain Libyans who were abroad
when the revolution broke out. These people were afraid to return to Libya follow-
ing the revolution. There are other Libyans who (?fled) following the outbreak of
the revolution and who are now abroad. These people have integrity. Hostile intel-
ligence organs have tried to exploit them, but have failed. They did not let the
hostile intelligence organs recruit them despite a great deal of persistence. Egypt
even contacted a number of Libyans who were ib"ad when the revolution broke out.
These people refused to be used by Egypt against their own country. Their integrity
is something to'be proud of.
After comparing these people with the spy Al-Muhayshi, the Revolution Command Council
has decided to grant a general amnesty to all Libyans abroad who have refused [words
indistinct] against their own country. [applause and slogans]
Since we are on this subject, I would like to reveal a fact to the Egyptian people,
the (?Tunisian) people andPresident Anwar as-Sadat because [words indistinct]. I
would like to clarify a fact for President Bourguiba in case his agents and (?advisers)
`ricked him [words indistinct]. I would like to clarify for the simple people in
'T'unisia [words indistinct] Libyan commandos who have gone to Tunisia to carry out acts
of sabotage there. This is the picture presented to the Tunisian people by the Tunisian
information media. The Egyptian people have also been told [words indistinct]. If we have
indeed sent people to carry out acts of sabotage in Egypt, the Egyptian people are justified
in blaming us and condemning us.
I would like to tell the truth to the simple and good people who [words indistinct]
in Egypt and Tunisia that the counterrevolutionary propaganda organs are hostile to
the masses Ind employed by imperialism. What happened is the following: The free
unionist officers in Libya decided to pursue and punish Al-Muhayshi after he fled
to Tunisia and proved to be a traitor. This decision was taken by the free unionist
officers [words indistinct]. We bear the responsibility for any action which has
political consequences. [words indistinct] the free officers decided, with the aid
of their soldiers, to carry out the punishment for treason on Al-Muhayshi [words
indistinct]. Al-Muhayshi was one of us, but he committed treason.
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After the spy Al-Muhayshi fled from Tunisia to Egypt, the free officers decided to
pursue him there. They sent their soldiers to Egypt to [words indistinct]. The
free officers are still determined to pursue this spy and to destroy him. [applause]
What interest does the Tunisian Government have in lying to its people? Why doesn't
it tell its people the truth? Why doesn't it say, we have captured two Libyan
soldiers sent by the free officers to punish one who has betrayed his pledge? Why
do they tell their people about a Libyan plot, sabotage, kidnaping Bourguiba and
so forth?
Why didn't Egypt say, we have captured Libyan soldiers [words indistinct]? Why
didn't it say, we have captured two or three Libyan soldiers sent by their officers
to kill this person who betrayed his pledge? They said, sabotage, terror," and so
on and so forth. The rulers do not pay the price, but the masses do. Who is paying
the price now? Unfortunately, it is the Egyptians--the workers who were treated like
brothers in Libya. They and their families are paying the price.
The Libyan people are determined to adhere to the revolution and crush its enemies
no matter who they may be. [applause] I want you to know a clear fact. Power is
in your hands, in the hands of the popular congresses and popular committees. Thus,
everything is in the hands of the masses. However, you have not deceived me. You
do not stage marches and write statements in blood, you do not shout out slogans
and then [words indistinct]. You have proven to me--and please correct rie if I am
mistaken--that the Libyan people are aware of what a revolution.isand are determined
to tenaciously cling to it even if they die one after the other. [applause and
slogans for 3 minutes]
Revolution means determination to achieve the economic independence of Libya [words
indistinct] even if we have to dig to a depth of 2 kilometers to find water [words
indistinct]. The wheel of wort: will not stop. Our enthusiasm will not dampen
[words indistinct] transform Libya from a desert to an agricultural land even if it
costs us a great deal of effort [words indistinct].
In our program, we still have dozens of factories. Anything that we can produce,
God willing, we have decided to produce. Oil must be utilized for agriculture and
industry so that when it is consumed [words indistinct] good riddance. [applause]
Revolution means determination until a house is built for every Libyan family. God
willing, each family will have a home. You have seen thousands of houses built,
and tens of thousands more are being built annually, since the revolution. This is
a fact, we are determined to see wort: go on day and night until the 13,000 Libyans
who live in huts, tents, and old houses live in modern houses.
Revolution means science. This is another aim of the revolution. There is now a
college in almost every specialty. Schools have spread everywhere. We are deter-
mined to educate even in tents and mobile schools so that no child will remain with-
out a school. [applause and slogans] Revolution means building hospitals and
clinics. It means the implementation of projects in the field of health.
In the field of defense, the revolution is now doing its best to build military
factories, to put arms in the hands of every Libyan so that if in the future anybody
commits aggression against us [words indistinct] not the regular army but the Libyan
people the way we faced the Italians. The regular army was not fighting the Italians,
they were fought by you,'your kinsfolk. Had it not been for the traitors, the
Italians would not have been able to (?reach)this place. I saw very clearly that
this is the revolution, its objectives and program. If the revolution enters a
battle, it enters it with force and with revolutionaries who believe in it and know
how to save the revolution with blood. [applause and slogans]
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Brothers: [words indistinct] Why is the Arab nation rallying around the 1 September
Revolution? Why is the~Arab nation pinning all its hopes on the Great 1 September
Revolution? Because there is a real revolution here which has placed authority in
the hands of the masses, tells the truth to the masses, forges its way with the sup-
port of the masses and builds for the sake of the masses with the assistance of the
masses. This is what the Arab nation requires. It requires clarity, t_-.ith, inde-
pendence even in earning its livelihood, and freedom in all fields.
The nation does not need speeches, newspapers and even radios speaking lies and
taking the nation from fog to fog [indirect reference to As-Sadat] and from darkness
to darkness. In Libya, there is clarity and truth. Everyone 1-.nows his respons:ibi.li.ty
and what can be achieved tomorrow and the day after toi,;orrow.
I tell our brothers that the enemy takes the 1 September Revolution into full account
and considers it a new-cultural phenomenon. Thus, the enemy is currently manipulating
the reactionary regimes around us to threaten the revolution. There cannot be a
revolution in Libya and reaction in Egypt and Tunisia. There should either be re-
action inLibya, Egypt and Tunisia or revolution in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia. This
is what is happening. Everyone is fighting to defend himself. [applause and slogans]
Imperialism is using Arab reaction. Arab reaction and imperialism are using Libyans,
if they can, in their battle against the revolution. This is known. I;a.)erialisn
is clearly using the reactionary regimes against us. Imperialism is now fighting
us directly and indirectly. Just as they used Al-Piuhayshi, reaction and iperialism
will?use any Libyan who can be exploited against the revolution. He cannot possibly
say that none of the Libyans can be exploited against the revolution. On the co.--
trary, 'Umar, who was a member of the Revolution Command Council, was fully exploited
and turned into a spy against the revolution. Therefore, we do not rule out the ex-
istence of other Libyans like him who can be used by imperialism against the revolu-
tion. Those people who lied and said that Benghazi University students were ::illed
are agents. They have been used in one form or another to fight the revolution.
Whoever is an enemy of the revolution is also an enemy of the agricultural, education
and health programs I have spoken to you about, and consequently an enemy of the
people. Because these ;programs are being implemented in the interest of the people.
The housing program is the interests of the people.
Those people who said that the students were 'killed and sent false emissaries to
our students abroad to tell them that 12, 14 or 15 students were 'tilled--even
though these students are here with me today--are serving is;perialism, Zionism and
reaction. Imperialism, Zionism and reaction are now bragging and saying: Loo'c at
what is happening to the revolution and freedom.
They claim that 12, 15 or 20 students were killed. Not a single student was killed
at Benghazi University. The one who told the Libyan students in Cairo, who said
that 15 students were killed, is the enemy of the people and the revolution and the
agent of imperialism. He must be crushed [words indistinct]. The one who told our
students in London that 15 students were killed, this person--whoever he may be,
and I do not care what his name or family is--is a spy who serves imperialism and
reaction and harms the revolution. [applause]
One student put the Star of David on our flag at our embassy in London. Is there
any doubt now that the students are manipulated by hostile quarters? Was that
student not an Israeli spy [words indistinct] in Britain?
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One of the students who staged a sitin in our embassy in London protesting the
false report that 15 students were killed, put the Israeli Star of David on the
Libyan flag to enable the Israelis--the enemy--to say: We have been able to re-
cruit agents from you and we have been able to use your students against you,
against the revolution.
Where does this Libyan students interest lie? It lies in the building of the
houses and factories I have spoken to you about, and the reclamation of land to
turn the desert into green land. That student works against the interests of the
people. He is an enemy of the people and is not one of us. We must trample him.
In order to disrupt the agricultural and industrial revolution as well as freedom
and democracy in Libya, and to do away with the gains of the Libyan people, im-
perialism is bound to use Libyans first. And you have seen how it has used the
Libyans. The challenges of imperialism and reaction are clear. When the Egyptian
Government challenges the 1 September Revolution and attacks its leadership, what
is its aim? Its aim is to disrupt the revolutionary program and suspend agrarian
reform, industry and armament.
What did the Egyptian President say yesterday? He stated that the armament of the
Libyan people disturbs us, equipping the Libyan Arab Republic with modern Soviet
arms disturbs us. Look, he is disturbed by the armament of the Libyan people. He
has disclosed his hostile intentions against this people and this revolution. He
then ridiculed us and said: We know the Libyans because we trained them on arms.
.He said the Libyans cannot use these arms. He said the Libyans are not capable of
using these arms. The meaning is clear. When the Egyptian Government attacks the
1 September Revolution and its. leadership, what is its aim? Its aim is to deprive
the Libyan people of real independence in agriculture, industry, communications,
housing, schools and hospitals. It does not want this people to serve as an example
and to become strong [words indistinct]. Why? Because this disturbs Egypt.
When Tunisia challenges you and ridicules your revolution, what is its aim? When
the 1 September Revolution and its leadership are lost, this would mean the end of
the revolutionary program I told you about, agrarian reform, industry, agriculture,
schools, hospitals, (?armament), freedom,'democracy and unity. This is the cherish-
ed aim of the Arab of imperialism.
It is obvious that the people who attack us are attacking your interests. Reaction
could use Libyans against their interests and the interests of the Libyan people.
Imperialism could use them just as it has used Al-Muhayshi.. I have told you that
we are not afraid of the United States or anyone else. If the United States in-
vades us, I will put a weapon in the hand of-everyone of you and then the United
States would find it difficult to set foot in Libya, just as the Italians were
able to occupy Libya not through sheer strength but through Libyan traitors.
Libyan traitors joined the Italian forces and led the Italian campaigns in the
desert, the oases and on the mountains.
What I want to tell you is that we are not afraid of the United States. In any
battle bet-,..,en us and the United States, the white American soldiers [words indistinct]
would not be able to enter our dessert. This would be difficult for them. [applause]
Even if they use atomic bombs, we have the desert [words indistinct]. They dropped
two atomic bombs on Japan in 1945; (?of course they fought desperately), and now
Janan is better off than the United States. [words indistinct] What has the United
States benefited from dropping two bombs on Japan?
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Japan has recovered its strength in all fields and its people are the first [word
indistinct] the United States. This is what the United States has reaped from drop-
ping the atomic bombs. The same thing happened in Vietnam. American troops fled,
leaving their planes behind on Vietnamese airfieads. U.S. agents fell one after the
other despite the backing of U.S. power. Lon Nol of Cambodia fled.
We are not afraid of the United States. We will face it. But I would like to tell
you that it is obvious that the United States has entered the battle against us. This
is for one reason, because we are a people who have liberated themselves, are destroy-
ing the interests of imperialism and want to liberate Palestine. The United States
does-not want all these things. It is clear that Egyptian and Tunisian reaction have
committed a big mistake against their own peoples and themselves.
We are now in a battle and there are bound to be traitors.. I tell you that the revo-
lution does not know compromises. I tell you that I "do not mind if only 1 million
people are left behind supporting the revolution [words indistinct]. We either have
a revolution or not. A revolution which has people who can be used by imperialism and
reaction is not a revolution. The Libyan revolution must be a solid base for revolu-
tion not only in Libya but also in the Arab homeland. [applause] Therefore, we must
purge our ranks. Not long ago, [words indistinct] was a member of the Revolution
Command Council [words indistinct]. Our ranks are infiltrated. We had someone in our
ranks who was not one of us. Is this not more dangerous than the enemy at sea?
1 tell you that the most dangerous thing to the revolution are the traitors. The revo-
lution has no room for (?traitors). 7h is land must be a solid revolutionary land.
.The student who placed Israel's Star of David wants a grant from the budget of the
Libyan people. He does not deserve a grant, he deserves to be butchered.
I tell you that the revolution means land reclamation. Whoever is interested in land
reclamation must be on our side from tomorrow. Whoever is interested in the
tries I told you about, must be on the side of the revolution as of tomorrow.
Whoever is interested in armament, must side with the revolution as of tomorrow. Who-
ever is interested in freedom and the new democracy represented by the popular con-
ferences and committees, must be on the side of the revolution as of tomorrow. Who-
ever is interested in hospitals, education and housing, must side with the revolution
as of tomorrow. Whoever is not interested in all this can be against the revolution
tomorrow and we [words indistinct]. I don't mind if the majority is on one side or the
other.
Therefore, effective tomorrow the popular revolution will be declared in the Libyan
universities [words indistinct]. It is up to the revolutionary forces in the Libyan
universities to assert their presence in every college, and to decide the issue in
the interest of the revolution in the universities. [applause and cheers].
Effective tomorrow, the forces of the revolution--as it is clear now--will assert
their presence in every college in the Libyan university, and purge the revolution's
enemies. Effective tomorrow, either the revolutionary forces or the renegade rightist
bourgeoisie will remain in the Libyan university. Effective tomorrow, all the revo-
lutionary forces in the Libyan universities will lead the colleges and universities
toward agrarian reform, industry, armament, general military training, and challenging
the Egyptian and Tunisian reaction, the United States and the Israelis. [applause and
cheers] I will personally lead this battle, which must end with deciding the struggle
in favor of the revolutionary forces. [applause and cheers]
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As for the tribes [al-gaba'il], it was they who challenged and achieved the victories
against the Italians, and who now constitute the people's toiling forces. The hard work
is done by these tribes now, while comfortable work is done by the bourgeoisie These
tribes were the real battalions of the jihad. Were it not for the traitors, imperialism
would not have overcome these tribes and occupied Libya. It was the tribes that
challenged imperialism.
Therefore, if there is a danger to the revolution from within or without, I tell you
that each tribe must defend its land and honor and turn into popular resistance.
Effective from now, we will reorganize and rearm the tribal popular resistance. After
that, it is up to them to defend their gains, land and honor just as they fought against
the Italians and drove out the (?Americans) and reaction. Every Libyan tribe will be
armed, and the leaderships will be chosen from within the tribes themselves. I shall
specify these leaderships and the armament. I shall also specify a sector [gati'] in
which each tribe will fight. After that, we will know that there will be no room for
imperialists and reactionaries in Libya.
The popular action now before me is organized in popular conferences, committees,
federations and unions. But now I announce a new organization, the popular resistance
organization, on the basis I have mentioned. Everyone must get ready. March ahead.
[applause and cheers]
TUNISIA
FOURTH INSTALLMENT OF AL-MUHAYSHI INTERVIEW
Tunis Domestic Service in Arabic 1620 GMT 4 Apr 76 LD
'ourth installment of interview granted to Cairo Voice of Arabs radio by 'Umar
al-Muhayshi, former member of the Libyan Revolution Command Council, in Cairo, date not
specified--recorded]
['text] [Al-Muhayshi] There is no question of simplicity or a life of austerity. These
are all lies. He spends millions. That is to say, he (?spends on relatives). Can you
imagine that a person who does not fear God in serving the people and in [words indistinct]
of the revolution would be interested in the people's condition? How? Never. If he is
a simple and modest human being, modesty is for the sake of modesty. (?This is a)
simplicity of the life of emperors. This means that thequestion is one of practices and
attitudes against the people. What are his practices and attitudes against the people?
Are these the practices of a patriotic person? Are they connected with the sharing of
government in a serious manner? Is he a human being who actually has sincere intentions?
No. I assure,you even the development plan is, in fact, nothing more than a trend--since
the royalist regime. He continued with the former plan in a faltering manner. Mu'ammar
al-Qadhdhafi must always. intervene. However, any project inspired by Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhaf i
is an abortive plan for squandering money But despite this, the construction of schools,
roads, hospitals,'and social institutions has been going on since the royalist regime.
All the administrative organs and all our qualified administrators studied and were
brought up during the royalist regime. This is a historic fact. His interference in
development was [word indistinct ] and only for squandering funds. Consequently, even
[words indistinct ].
At this point, there is a basic and very important matter. What is the use of someone
stuffing his stomach when he is unpopular? What is the use of such a human being?
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Man does not live by bread alone. Security, prosperity, freedom and justice are
needed. Justice and freedom constitute a basic demand of the individual. Human
dignity is a basic demand of the individual. We do not lack wealth, but we lac1 the
dignity of man in the first place and this is now the basic demand of the Libyan people--
to live in freedom, with democracy and dignity. They want their country to be devel-
oped in their interest.
We do not need a notorious criminal wreaking havoc in the country as he pleases.
This is what is happening to Libya. The Libyan people are suffering, to my great
re gret. Personally, I have never ever seen a ruler of a head of state dare to ,ay
at a public rally: I personally disregard the law of the proclamation of human
rights. I have never ever seen a human being dare to trade with religion publicly,
falsify and reword holy Koranic verses, and express opinions concerning something
which should be above opinion through ideas derived from the Sufi sect and connections
which are being eliminated [words indistinct].
He is trading with some illusions, imagining that he will acquire a reputation as a
person who is not a fanatic but flexible, or something of the sort, in talking to the
Jews or to the people who, he imagines, are able to glorify him or to speak about
him saying that he is a new personality or an image.
[Answer] Yes. In other words, he is a person who thinks in a selfish and personal
way which leads him to distort all values. This led to what? It led him to lose
everything and his true nature was revealed. Who is Mutammar al-Qadhdhafi? None
other than a criminal trying to trade with things and values. He (?tries) to poison
the whole world. Naturally, this reflects naivete, recklessness, an inclination
toward criminality, cunning and, most regrettably, a human being suffering from mental
perversions, which leads him to perpetrate obnoxious crimes against Libyan society,
Arab society and perhaps even the international community.
[Question] Colonel al-Qadhdhafi said about the relationship of the 1 September
revolution with the Arab states: Sudan said that it would open a camp in my country.
He means Libya. And the Sudanese do not come to be trained here. Therefore, we do
not like them to come and we ao not want to open a camp in Sudan. This is what the
colonel said about Sudan. Tunis prevented the Tunisians from volunteering to liberate
Palestine. The Arab League, or somebody else, said that it (?approves of) fedayeen
action. The Arab League has never been a tool for the liberation of Palestine or a
tool for revolution. This is what the colonel said about Tunisia. The colonel said
about Algeria: Algeria also prevented the Algerians from volunteering and refused to
contribute to the liberation of Palestine by one struggler or another. This is the
bitter present state of affairs. This is what the colonel said about Algeria. The
colonel said: Iraq has a force which does not exist. We do not even know who rules
Iraq. This is what the colonel said about Iraq. The colonel said: The Arab situation
in general is undecided. It is engulfed in fog and immersed in darkness. And there
is no initiative. At these moments, the Arabs have no clear direction. They have
lost their orientation. This is what Colonel al-Qadhdhafi said about all Arab countries.
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[Answer] In analyzing M1'ammar al-Qadhdhafi's personality, we proceed from a basic
premise. He is not a patriot. (?He is not a politician) even the Libyan people
now are nicknaming him after all the gangsters heroes in American films, because all
American films, particularly cowboy films, have some heroes. They nickname him with
their names.
[Question] This means that this is the result of conflicting stands?
[Answer] This is the result of original practice, brother. [words indistinct] What
motivated me personally not to capitulate and struggle to crush him and on what
grounds? It is due to my conviction [words indistinct] that if this person continues
in authority he will greatly endanger Arab destiny in general and might lead to cala-
mity for the Libyan people. The Libyan people might be pushed to a bloody tragedy.
But all the Libyan people are exposed to death as a result of some insanity of Mu'ammar
al-Qadhdhafi alone. This is the danger. This problem is not simple. It is not even
only a question of money. Perhaps money can be offset, although this is serious
because it is the money of the people. But this is an issue of a people exposed to
danger. They are threatened with embroilment in a battle in which there is no gain,
except the parasitical dreams or the so-called [word indistinct] dreams of Mu'ammar
al-Qadhdhafi due to his insanity, which might imperil the people. This is what per-
mnally motivates me to speak to you. [words indistinct] to make statements and to
speak to the whole world to say that we object to these serious matters [words indis-
tinct].
[Question] No pan-Arab stand or [question interrupted].
[Answer] No authentic stand, neither patriotic, pan-Arab, religious or humanitarian.
There is trading and deception. But among the things he tries to suggest tothe world
is that he is a new prophet. He is a devil who tries to pose to the world as a new
prophet, so this expression is reitereated as it is reiterated by anyone believing
in false prophets. Musaylimah (?was recognized instantaneously). Why? Because he
claimed to be a prophet. He also wants to claim.to be a prophet, perhaps some sim-
pletons will believe him.
But it became obvious that Musaylimah was a liar and that he was not a prophet. And
it became clear that the brother [A1-Qadhdhafi] is a liar and that he is not a pro-
phet, and everyone who makes such claims will be revealed in his reality--as a bad
human being. We also oppose [word indistinct] and a criminal has no authentic stand,
except [words indistinct].
[Question] His personal objectives?
[Answer] Selfish and personal objectives and moral perversions which make him take a
humiliating position. This is a fact; Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi has moral perversions
and selfish objectives for which he uses all the Libyan people and all, their r sources.
[Question] Perhaps this has happened in the Arab field in view of his differences
with just about every Arab country. That is to say, no Arab country has escaped
from his attacks and statements.
[Answer] No Arab president has been spared by Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi from being stabbed
in the back, (?though not directly attacked). He stabs in the back and then comes to
you and tells you. I am innocent. What is-important for him is not to be in the
dock so he can avoid confession.
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Naturally, there is no Arab regime, whether progressive or conservative, which has
not been exposed to stabbing by Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi. No Arab regime has avoided
subjection to the casting of doubts by Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi in an attempt at
political outbidding taking advantage of all social circumstances, all political
problems and all the political circumstances existing in the Arab homeland. Pursuing
career of crime, he applies crime to politics. He adapts crime to politics. He views
affairs in medieval terms. It would be wrong to describe him as machiavellian because
machiavellianism could perhaps be a political attitude. It could sometimes have
objectives, and it could [words indistinct]. Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi is not Machiavellian.
He is engaging in a Machiavellianism that takes him to the edge of insanity, bearing
in mind that Machiavelli issued his book in (?Geneva) some 4 centuries ago.
[Answer] Therefore Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi's claims to be the responsible official in
the Arab homeland are exposed. He is also exposed among the peoples of the Arab homeland,
particularly among the intelligentsia. But it is quite possible, and we can also say
[word indistinct] before I conclude my talk, the Arab people have also become conscious.
[Answer] This is an important phenomenon. And [words indistinct] can say that
Mu'ammar a17Qadhdhafi is the sole Arab ruler whose recklessness might very possibly
lead him to become an agent. This means that Mu!ammar al-Qadhdhafi, through his
sabotage of the Arab homeland, is-in fact play ing_ nothing other than a :uteful. Z!oni.st
role. If Zionism went looking for anyone to play this role it could not have found
anyone at all like him.
[Text] It has been learned from the Libyan capital that a large number of members of
the Revolutionary Command Council [RCC] and free officers are now in prison. This
number has reached 150 people. Al-Qadhdhafi has detained a number of his colleagues
such as Awad Hamzah, and Al-Bashir al-Hawwadi, members of the RCC. He has also pro-
hibited many others from leaving their residence and placed a heavy guard on them,
such as Muhammad Najim and al-Mukhtar al-Garwi, members of the RCC, while he has
allowed the rest to move about within the area in which they reside by placing them
under constant supervision by military intelligence, such as Captain Mahmud Madi and
Lieutenant Dahmuri. The number of suspects of officers in the Libyan Army, in the
opinion of Al-Qadhdhafi, has reached 722 officers. This is in addition to those who
(?fled). Thus the colonel is in complete isolation inside Libya.
He has gone so far as to prohibit any movement by the relatives of opponents, so much
so that he has prevented some of them from going on pilgrimages. Al-Qadhdhafi has
also issued strict orders restricting any army move, except by an order from him, and
prohibiting senior officers from living inside the barracks and removing their personal
weapons outside the barracks. He also entrusted junior officers with the task of
observing the movement of their chiefs and of informing him personally about all their
actions and views, so much so that Lt Col Abu Bakr Yunis al-Jabir has become a pseudo-
army chief of staff. Moreover, the colonel is resorting to getting his followers--
from bedouins and ignorants--by his revolutionary speeches to attack the homes of
certain members of the RCC.
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