TRIP TO THE WEST COAST ON 9 - 13 MARCH 64

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• Document Creation Date: September 6, 2019
• Document Release Date: September 12, 2019
• Publication Date: March 18, 1964

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Trip to the West Coast on 9 - 13 March 64
1. On Monday, 9 March, and I interviewed
two ORD candidates for employment. Separate reports are
available on the interviews.
2. On Tuesday, 10 March, we visited the Pt. Mugu Naval
Missile Center and spent the day with Head
of Life Sciences at Mugu; Jaead of Marine
Sciences at Mugu; Mr. C. Scott Johnson who is from Notts-
China Lake; Dr. Sidney Galler ONR-Wnhington; and Mr. John
B. Loefer, ONR-Los Angeles. and his group reviewed
the research which they are intending to carry out on dol-
phins and other marine life. Of particular interest are
erythrocyte pigment differences, regional blood flow, migra-
tion, fasting, pathology, water balance maintenance, psycho-
pharmacology, utilization of limited air supply, and dolphin
heat exchanges through their flukes. They are also interested
in hydrodynamic principles of these organisms. In effect they
are trying to establish the performance limits of dolphins
and the physiological reasons for their unique abilities. We
visited their laboratory buildings and their dolphin tanks.
My impression is that Pt. Mugu has lots of good equipment,
animals, and people who are looking for a problem. In later
discussions with Sid Galler, we think we can provide them
with a problem and give this project more explicit direction.
Some of the funds which we hope to transfer to ONR will be
used to augment the Pt. Mugu operation.
3. On Wednesday morning, 11 March,
briefed us on their current activities related to a proposal
which was forwarded to us. They have achieved some rather
remarkable results in using different correlation techniques
on EEG patterns and have some interesting studies planned
which I feel are of potentially great significance to our
stress program. Their proposal has been forwarded through
ONR and will be supported by us by a transfer of funds.
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4. On Wednesday at noon. 11 Marnh
. Sidney Galler. ONR.
met with
has been using a cow lursiops borrowed
from Pt. Mugu to study echolocation ability. He uses al
He has done detailed dissections of Tursiops skulls,
has done detailed studies of coronal sections, and has dis-
covered that the echolocation receiving mechanism is through
fat channels in the lower jaw. There is direct attachment
from the center of the lower jaw to the middle ear. There is
some resonance between this fat channel and very thin portions
of jaw bone.
This summer is going to Hawaii to deter-
mine the speed at which a porpoise can swim in the open sea
and how deep he can dive.
5. On Wednesday afternoon, 11 March,
reviewed our plans for the meeting of 21 March (Kinzel
ife Sci1ences Panel) and also reviewed the proposal.
feels that it is a ood roposal and should be sup-
ported. He also felt that is underestimating the
equipment costs, a so concurred on the proposal
but was less enthusias ic. e recognizes the importance of
getting adequate data for the polygraph but feels that this
project will have to be very carefully evaluated periodically.
His major concern is the cost of the project which involves a
rather large percentage (approximately 40%) of this year's
funds for Life Sciences, questioned me further on
the role which his Panel should play and particularly asked
whether I wished them to review each proposal. I told him
that I felt their major function should be in planning our
program and in providing us with consultative advice rather
than approving projects. I have the feeling that he agrees
with this. This will no doubt be discussed at the 21 March
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meeting, also seemed concerned about our budget
which he feels is rather small in terms of the objectives of
the program.
6. On Thursday morning, 12 March,
met with who is the Project Director on
The results of our discussion will
a separate memo. In general, I believe
rather well and is a highly competent chemist.
a follow-on to his proposal.
and I
We
be part of
is doing
anticipate
7. Early Th7rsday afternoon, 12 March, we met with
whether
from the to see
his activities would be of value to our stress pro-
gram, is primarily concerned with biochemical and
other physiological changes induced by stimulation to the
hypothalmus. His orientation and experimental program is not
the sort of thing that I believe we should support, although
some of the rpquitg nf iis work may be of significance for
the future. will forward the results of his work
to us and keep our program in mind.
;4 8. Late Thursday afternoon and evening,
wef.e engaged in a major psychodrama with the
eople. Neal and I met initially with
and with
12 March. we
the Director of
T explained again the
easons wny we wisnea to have as the Program Manager,
particularly during the early phases of the program. After
considerable discussion, agreed to put in
charge of the program as the Staff Manager but with
as the Technical in-house Director. This appears to be satis-
factory to all concerned Later we met with
who is now head of He
seems to me to be an extremely bright mathematician-engineer
1] should work well on our project, from
is not yet cleared for the project although he has clearance.a I was somewhat less impressed by him, although
role will be very limited in terms of our project.
cc: ADD/S&T
DAD/ORD
STEPHEN L ALDRICH, M., D.1
Deputy Assistant Director
LS/ORD/DD/S&T
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