TAKE 5 OF SEVERAL - - PANEL WITH OCALAN ON DEMOCRATIZATION

• Document Type: FOIA
• Collection: FOIA Collection
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00823163
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: March 8, 2023
• Document Release Date: August 13, 2019
• Case Number: F-2017-02384
• Publication Date: January 27, 1997

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TAKE 5 OF SEVERAL -- PANEL WITH OCALAN ON DEMOCRATIZATION
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SERIOUS CONTRADICTION HERE.
FBIS TRANSLATED EXCERPT OCALAN CONTINUES BUCAK IS ONLY ONE
OF THEM. THERE ARE HUNDREDS LIKE BUCAK. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT
MEANS THAT THE STATE HAS CHANGED ITS FORM. IT MEANS THAT THE STATE
HAS ENTERED A VERY DANGEROUS PROCESS. TO THIS WE SHOULD ALSO ADD
THE MHP NATIONALIST MOVEMENT PARTY CADRES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN
ANATOLIA. A SIMILAR IMPLEMENTATION CAN BE SEEN THERE AS WELL. THEY
HAVE SPREAD TO ALL THE PARTIES IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR RIGHTIST OR
LEFTIST TENDENCIES. THEY HAVE BECOME EFFECTIVE WITHIN ALMOST ALL OF
THE PARTIES. FOR EXAMPLE, WHY WAS CATLI IDEALIST GANG MEMBER
KILLED IN THE SUSURLUK ACCIDENT SO EFFECTIVE DURING THE ANAP
MOTHERLAND PARTY CONGRESS? HE CAME AND SAID THAT SUCH A PERSON
SHOULD WIN AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. HE PLANNED TO ASSASSINATE
FORMER PRESIDENT OZAL IN ORDER TO SILENCE HIM. HE MADE A THREAT
AND THEN SABANCI WAS KILLED. THROUGH SUCH AND OTHER TACTICS THEY
WEAKENED ALL THE PUBLIC SECTORS. THEY EVEN THREATENED AN MIT AGENT.
THE LIKES OF CEM ERSEVER WERE LIQUIDATED. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY
FUNCTION INDEPENDENTLY OF THE OTHER BRANCHES OF THE STATE OR THAT
THE STATE IS UNAWARE OF THEIR ACTIONS. THE STATE IS AWARE OF IT.
GURES STANDS AT THE PEAK AS THE HIGHEST POWER. HE CONTROLS THE
CHIEF OF THE GENERAL STAFF. HE DEFINITELY STAGED A COUP. SEVERAL
GENERALS HAVE BEEN LIQUIDATED. I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO
UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE. THEY ESPECIALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
TO GENDARME COMMANDER GENERAL KILLED IN A HELICOPTER ACCIDENT
BITLIS. I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THIS FACT. WE CAN ADD A
FEW OTHER GENERALS TO THE LIST SUCH AS BAHTIYAR AYDIN. WE CAN
INCLUDE SEVERAL COLONELS AS WELL. IT IS CLEAR THAT VARIOUS GENDARME
COMMANDERS HAVE BEEN HIT. I BELIEVE THAT THOSE INCIDENTS SHOULD
ALSO BE DWELT UPON. I DO NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE ALL VICTIMS OF
INTRIGUES. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE, HOWEVER, THAT THE DEATH OF A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM WAS LINKED TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
ACCORDING TO INFORMATION I RECEIVED, OZAL SAID THE FOLLOWING
ABOUT BITLIS. HE SAID THAT BITLIS WAS HIS MAN. HE SAID THAT BITLIS
PASHA WAS THE MAN WHO WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING HIS REFORMS. HE SAID
THIS WHILE BANGING HIS HAND ON HIS CHEST. CONCERNING GURES, HE SAID
THAT HE WAS OSCILLATING BUT THAT HE WOULD EVENTUALLY SOLVE THAT
ISSUE AS WELL. OZAL SAID THAT HE WOULD CONVINCE GURES OF HIS
REFORMS. OZAL MENTIONED A FEW OTHER NAMES. IN SHORT, HE SAID THAT
HE WOULD BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THE OBSTACLES WITHIN THE ARMY TO HIS
REFORMS. TURKISH JOURNALISTS DO NOT WANT TO INVESTIGATE. TO BE
MORE EXACT ??RE UNDER THEX???>HCOMMAND THEY DO NOT HAVE SUCH A COURAGE.
IT IS A FACT THAT BITLIS WAS LIQUIDATED. AS A MATTER OF FACT, A
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VERY HIGH RANKING SCIENTIST CLEARLY STATED THAT THE CRASH WAS NOT AN
ACCIDENT. GURES CLAIMED THAT THE PROBLEM WAS A TECHNICAL ONE THAT
INVOLVED FREEZING. THE SCIENTIST SAID THAT THE CHANCE OF SUCH A
PROBLEM WAS ONE IN A BILLION. I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS FACT.
THIS PROFESSOR SAID THAT THE CHANCE WAS ONE IN A BILLION. THEN
GURES HAS EITHER CLEARLY LIED OR HE HAS REMAINED IMPASSIVE TO THE
KILLING OF ONE OF HIS MOST IMPORTANT GENERALS. BOTH ARE CRIMES.
WORDS INDISTINCT THEN WHY DOES HE NOT INVESTIGATE? IT IS CLAIMED
THAT THE AIM IS TO CREATE DISCORD WITHIN THE ARMY. IT IS OUT OF THE
QUESTION FOR THE PROFESSOR TO AIM AT SUCH A THING. I DO NOT BELIEVE
THAT HE HAS ANY POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS EITHER. I BELIEVE THAT HE HAS
SOME SCIENTIFIC INTEGRITY WHICH PROMPTED HIM TO SAY THAT THE
ACCIDENT WAS NOT CAUSED BY THE TECHNICAL PROBLEM OF FREEZING.
GURES, ON THE OTHER HAND, SAID THAT THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. WHO IS
LYING? GURES OR THE TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR? THE PUBLIC AND
THE PRESS SHOULD INVESTIGATE THIS ISSUE.
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