INTERVIEW OF IRA C. FELDMAN

• Document Type: SPECIALCOLLECTION
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00404553
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 5
• Document Creation Date: January 23, 2025
• Document Release Date: November 30, 2000
• Publication Date: July 1, 2000

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Interview of Ira C. Feldman
1. On 26 April 1979 at LaGuardia Airport, Feldman was interviewed
for 5 hours by (DEA) and (CIA). The
following is a resume of that 5 hour debriefing.
2. Mr. Feldman, who was hired by George White on 10 June 1955,
said he established an immediate rapport with 14r. White" who liked
him. Feldman reported working hard for White and being quite succes-
sful. He was assigned to the Red Farrari case with the cover of a
pimp from New York. Feldman reports ultimately functioning as White's
deputy. Feldman indicates that although the friendship with White
worked to his advantage while White was employed, that it assured
him trouble when White departed. White was not a popular man in
the FBN. Feldman did not associate socially with White and always
addressed him as Mr. White.
3. Feldman reported being called into White's office about
3 weeks after being hired by FBN and met Mr. Anslinger and Mr. Allen
Dulles. During that meeting various means of assassination were dis-
cussed. White, Dulles and Anslinger then went to dinner. Feldman
was not invited. Several days later he asked "Mr. White" what the
meeting was about and was told that the assassination of Castro was
being considered.
4. A series of names were mentioned with the following reaction;
the list not necessarily complete and references to activities not
germane to this investigation have been omitted.
Sidney Gottlieb
No recollection of discussing business with Gottlieb. Gottlieb
stayed at the safehouses.
Ray TreiChler
A "milktoast" who expressed no interest in women. Brought out
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"gas" cartridges to test. Calibers to fit several types of guns,
carbine, 38, and shotgun. The cartridges put out an incapacitating
material which was worse than tear gas. The shells were tested at
Stinson Beach; he, White, and Treichler would take turns running
through the cloud. They also tested a defoliant at Stinson Beach by
injettir.ig-it into trees. It was used on eucalyptus believing it to be
the toughest problem.
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MOM
Saw him only a couple of times.
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Saw only a couple of times but has a vivid recollection
of him. On both visits he was draped with cameras. It was clear
Feldman did not likeIROMINV
Very close to White and knew Ans linger and Allen Dulles as
well as Gottlieb, INOMMEW and Treichler. He was "fully informed"
of entire program. He worked on a
with a Chinese American male and was
Black Sheep Night Club
No recollection of it.
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No recollection
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No recollection.
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No recollection
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No recollection.
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I am not certain of his response but believe it was no
recollection.
IMOMMtvas not her real surname or wasONOMOk the name by which
he knew her. He believes she is now dead.
Feldman saidOwas George White's father.
In addition to responding to questions on the above, Feldman
volunteered the following names who were friendly with 14r. White and
have (or have had) information on these activities.
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Red head,11111111111111111111MNINIK friendly with
Lawyer, very close to White. "Skipped country"
!MUM,
Reporter
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4111111101111111MMER, a girl from 11111�111.1131M0111111111111111 may
be a very good source.
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Feldman stated that CIA made no use of the safehouse in 1955
and 1956 but used it frequently in 1957 when it was often tied up
by CIA for a week per month. Agents were told to find other motels
etc., for undercover meetings. He gave us no details of the estab-
lished safehouses not already known with one exception. After much
talk, he volunteered, "I do have one bit of information you want -
the piece de resistance" - with appropriate gestures. He then made
the anticlimatic statement, "I have the mirror from the Village
apartment, or had it, it's gone now."
I then asked if he knew of any other safehouses in N.Y.C.
He replied, no. (We had earlier established that Feldman maintained
apartment 1B at 212 East 18th St. Nothing has been found in CIA
records to indicate the existence of, or sponsorship of, that apart-
ment.). Slightly later in the questioning 11/1/11111/ asked the point
blank question, who paid ,for your 18th St. apartment. Feldman seemed
a bit taken back by the question but replied, "George White". "Why
did White pay for it?" Feldman responded he supposed because White
liked him and knew he could use some help. Feldman admitted to no
further knowledge as to the source of funds. He could not remember
whether the checks were George White or Morgan Hall checks.
Feldman stated that he knew "the statutes had run", i.e., he
was no longer vulnerable due to the statute of limitations, but
that if "they" really wanted to know the details of what happened
they would call him, and other involved people, grant them total
immunity, and ask them to tell everything they know.
I asked Feldman if anyone had contacted him or in anyway had
attempted to influence his testimony to the Senate investigators.
He replied there had been no such contact and no such efforts.
On questioning Nir. Feldman stated he was now involved with
"investments". He traveled internationally; he mentioned several
trips to South America but also mentioned Europe. He indicated
he was now earning more than ever. When asked what type of invest-_
ments he was in he replied, "let's just say investments in lives". -
Conclusion:
Feldman knows more than he is admitting and even infers as
much. His testimony is full of inferences that he knows much more
including his statement that if they really want to know, etc.
I believe he agreed to meet with us just to learn what we were up to.
Events since the interview suggest that he may have lied to us
about contacts to influence his testimony. When MOW and I showed
him our credentials, subsequent conversation demonstrated he thought
Mlle was FBI rather than DEA. I phoned Ray Treichler about 1600
30 April requesting an interview. When he agreed I asked if he would
mind if I brought one other man along. To his "who", I responded
only, 11111111111111111. Treichler responded, Oh, Dept. of Justice, eh?
I asked; 0h, do you know him? No, etc. SinceiNOWP is DEA, unknown
to Treichler, and since as far as we know only Feldman believes him
to be Dept. of Justice, it seems probable that Feldman phoned
Treichler after our interview.
Investigators were MM. (DEA) and 11111111111111111111111111111
(CIA)
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