CONVERSATIONS WITH DR. (DELETED)

• Document Type: SPECIALCOLLECTION
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00144936
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 1
• Document Creation Date: November 22, 2024
• Document Release Date: January 15, 1983
• Publication Date: April 25, 1951

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1. zt.:0104110ggeOlor thet=10,011010100,theld a cocktail
party at his home on the evening of 23 April to introduce Dr.aSMENNAW
and Dromiggiegligletofilt=r. These Eentlemen are in the city primarily
for a meeting called by AE S about analytical detection equipmeni..
Among the-Zuests were Dr. and rrs.i=garDuring the informal conver-
sations, Dr..02=01; asked to have three or four minutes for private
conversation, and we retired to the library.
2.. Dr. t'Ll1t7.:. asked what was happening 'in CIA on the subject
very close to his heart of special interrogation methods; said that he
had heard from somebody in CIA, probably fro one of the covert shops,
that had assumed leadership of the program. He said that
CIA did not plan to develop the program aggressively, he felt it mrs
so important that he Was planning to take personal steps within the
Dopartment of Defense. I told him of the selection of Dr..Z71741:=PW
and asked if he,4=1.11171Wrould be uilling to talk with and and myself.
The answer was in the affirmative. I also asked 14achle if he felt that
the first thing that should be done in this program was to put out a
word of morning to the Department of Defense on the defensive aspects,
and if so, what sort of warning should be given. He said that he would
like to think about it and would be glad to talk about it at the time
that %.'aarili sWfT him.
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3. ett,s has been to recently, perhaps on two trips, and
knows something.about the methods that the Chinese are using for uniformed
personnel. He knows of no use of drugs or hypnosis, but has received reports
on the use of duress. He says that there are formal Army reports on the
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subjects. �
4. ilith your concurrence I will ask Dr.ige.u.at to talk with
Dr. early early in the program. I am sure that Dr.11;,AaMW4 mould appre-
ciate any briefing that you may wish to give him about the scope of these
conversations.
� S. On an entirely different subject, and divorced from the conver-
sation with Dr. --1-77..1 have you given any thought to the program that
should be planned for the debriefing of rr. Voeler, should he become
avuilable in the near future?
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