(ESTIMATED PUB DATE) SPECIAL CONFERENCE 8 AUGUST 1951 (DELETED)

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• Document Release Date: January 15, 1983
• Publication Date: August 8, 1951

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- of �-�-�J�����-iar.OSI in 1.ne idclo.ea that the conference iTas to have been a report on
polyaloh operatianz on Korean TVs which tft�IX.1,0.. had been resper_sible for.
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-17rof� a. project in Jan= and Korea in which the Ar.-.14? had ur,cd a polyxraph. c-zeratnor -
� alen'''' , 1--ith a tea.a cS ri.-ych.iatrists ... ,.-nel paychclozists en .?.."orcan PCs.
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h- :.10.o. for ....,-;y jeaA.s ..:n 14.t...rez,t an the use of the polyzaaph. but .
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/t1���-t t'..4.s recert Korea= experience had C..C.-IDnstratcd again to )1.1m that there was Lk .
.:Sade clivereion rer,ardine the el:loony of the polygra.y.la betweea. the poln-raph opere.,-- .
tors theaselves end irclividuais who loc:ccd at the polyzranh from a r scientific=
1 soint of vicw. Ile stated that be was alazed to find cut that the psyc:wie�--..Ltsts
and psychologists on this Zorean project ad not are In any way with. the ;017- _
1 �r...p.h. operator as to whethLr or not the polyar.h was effcctive - the polygraph '
operator r.a.i.,*ntanfing that the 1.�:olygraph waS very effective and the Daychiatriste
and psychologists stating that it :as nuch nore lees effective and that it as not
urefu1. in many ways' for certain tyres of 1:fork.."r"."4"":- ...444.�----,z, also stated that he ... _
i had found thie to ha universally true that. ro2;7-Lraph operators stated that the
I :.nachino was Ter../ effective and that-scientists or c'extors felt that it was lees �
1 effective than tho profersionals theufat it vas. He stated therefore that to
wanted to talk to the efembcrs of the conference and (1) �ixt their opinions ns- to. .
. the nach.ineta eriectiveners and (2) to set in motion a p:eject which cotild �
. hanCe to deliberately study and evaluate the effectiveness of the rolygraph.
Ile stated that this could 'cc dorie "cyprobably throueh 0.aneral Larkin (Chief �
.c.--44, U. S. Arn-j) or probably through Cenere1 Anthony licCinliffe (Chia:Z-CI, U. S. "
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were in attendance at the conference under the misunderntane'.1-�ng that the confer-
. ence was to be a report on certain palyg-aph operations in Xorca and that they
could not com�-si.t thaaselvez policy ...-ine as fzz." as crA :ma concerned. Hol:eve-r,
ence their rz-oecnce was official and nir.ce the conference ...t-self was of indiri-
dnals of hieh securit7 clearr-nce rezors.-E.T;Pz 4.�nd"t1F-"...A.M.andt-,���:::-...,4> cooperated -
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le crad had bean run on him L.:4 which consisted of the standard card test.
..ing this., in a conversations ...-ii.� sdaitted that all W. employees were 1;cir7
on the rolys�aph on a loyalty test aprarcntly identical vith
taat used at C.& ride (CC) and aplerently on a contract bi,s5..5 at so mach per head.
it a:zeors is cite favorably 1re:red methods and is in
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bccr.n) pointed oat that he 'and little technical :�:nowlee of the rolyi7e:.h ittel.t ' .-
.1.-at because of his verk on various connittecs he had been restested to look into � �
,this tz.e.of thin; end he exrcseed hi.-self to the effect that he had r,rcat interr.st
in the polycrevh or an.-i- other devices ha-rine to do 1:ith the detection of dsesption. .
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r-e .1.z.ewlcdre of t!..e pelycraz:h.� havina never seen � one or hayinz any idea of its .
-operaticn thereof. As a�rpsult, censictereble 'time vas ccrx=ad in explaining. , �
teci---Licel clet::.ils..of the wooratien of the palaph to-,747./77FA�2 �ty, and to a certain -
extent to .s...-,:. Tile conference develsiz ed that.-&-4-e-Vgi, had recently coe
aboardeZ and that at prrecent he yes c2.ezred as far as nreeretn clearz-nce a7l-.1--1,,sh
ap=a-rently lazewn perseFelly toth to and Accerding tob�Ire.....c..
'"`"'''� is to head up an..)1pr-:,,f,oct 1:11ich is to be kn�ozza as M77 7 . 1.5 - 11 ard --,-*t of the ..
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ter::: of Vas Mrroject -.Till "co to cbati cadcets and Covica-z7for the .kr-v. Msg-z
7"I�2-'� st-.ted that he could see no roason rhy the study of the .nolyz-rah .and its � - .
cffectiyenoss could not be brought undcr the zrojecatri and he would speci-
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obzious to drivt!that ?,,,:.2-alcr,..-:,-.1e-i..vez-FtTAiy zndri:4'm 1:ere not
thorouraly bac:ce,rounclod in the use t...f the pol7,,,c-rap.:a nor did they uneerstend its
applie.:tion in so far as CIA T..-as concerned nor wore they -,zzave of lri involvenents
of the poly,,--r4.11 in vari-ras ceurts.and that their epproach to the hole situation
uer.. :tore on a scientific level than at the operations
sane e:ctent Were curious about any statistics conce:cning the effectic,
nes-3 of the polygraph and hether or not etatistios that nicht be available tnre .
froia a scientific point of vicu. They were also very curious about the.
traininc of el craters, the persopza rele.-xnts ebol.ri: the use of the polyzTaph;
uhether or not the reeler nachine as the nost elie0ti7e in the field and other
related itens. ressrs. tegt-,....�.P.�;�,ftand.7-a,-,erered these cuestior_s as best
possible using only.�.statisties' that had bean set forth in reference 13001:s-such. -
as Inbau. � 1-.1zsrs.'.-.1. -..r.SZtancltirrigzipointed out that whereas certain znalyses
cf CIA's records of pz,lyzr.aph charts had been made.; exhomstive�statistical�rstudies
by trained ir.e.ivie.113 had nover been r.ade ouing to a lock of necessary neirpcn:or
id a lack or ti.-12. and IJ ri so pointed cut that the top security
officials of crik recorded t1-..'s polyzraph work as highly effective but this ;res., of
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interest in setting uo such a project a r.d in doing so he wc..u._d tan Iiith. � I
-...Cs.:noral Lerkin and recor::end VI-. :',:-frt.�....'-...-,---5P141:0 be riven telthoz-ity to set up and
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�-ietivate rach a projeet..r-,......Z--..":elso agfeed to talk to Br. Chadwell con-
--.cm-reing CIA in. tercets in there -.aatters..
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11 vantcd to 1.7,:ir if :Iv ttets hod been made coneer.ning the laze of hy.enesis end/or. :
narcotic'? both in connect:ten with tl.la polygraeh and in.conneetion with 'tbetir '
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zenerol. use for interrogation purposes. since the writer is specificeMy worY..ing 1
� on such a project ho ertgazedrin zome cezriersation along thece'lines
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but rpccific deta5.15 were withheld in this connection since the :Triter had ne .
certain knowlecto es to the extent thatr.af-',....-171.-.Fir,f-- had been brought' into the .
Bluebird project. Torther.�:ore, it is not en from the nature of the conver-
sation -..:Itether.:;�;�.:.:kil:Fz�Plaz di:cursing Bluebird or whether his remarks -in this .
connection were of a Lcner-al nature only. The writer merely pointed. out -tiotre--�
-,er-fei:-���7,',;.-''2^t C1'1% of course, had an interest in cuch matters and was
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cogeioent of the uses of rach eras as CO Cr1.1.111 W.T.'it al : scopol;=5.ne; etc. and that
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.tho opinion that, CIA records;miza bo made avc:ilable for fleture statietice, �
...studies on the evaluation of the rolyg�aph if such records would be of vellte.
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� echeduled.as a 'general meeting i�e bet enkt; .7:13. efg7,---.-Nn to explore tlre - -
possibilities of Z.Z".$tasting end evaluating the offectivenes�s of the ooly*-raph, .
sadrele�tEd CovIces for tho benefit of the Army end., other interested agencies. .
1ine'-�77b roiiithet out that -Itereas he represented Ir. Med:mil (CI), and. hence, �
CIA int:rents he could' not comn.it himself as to specific CIA interest in the �
natter ar:d curl:es-tea that --....1=e.,"!"1����rnk,diecoss these Eeneral. izatters at a confer-
:.em'ec at a 1.12.tut.e date ..tr; th Ir. Chedwell rersicrialay. Titis.t.,,ti,,�.4��at-,reed to
.111 hand:, acreed that it 17.7au1d probzbly be beneficial to have ei.V:make en _
4 ,-!cren-sent, .r.tudq� or 4:11 0 c o r.;- tt c-,..1 . 1"*.-)th*.t....;:",....--.T.,.:46:r...=:;:ta--r"...T5 pointed cut that - .
:�,.,S.T.A r.ccurity :as at all thetas interested in obtainir' :g the best 3.;oesible devices .
in these fields end that :117 iriproveoents or sorrestions .along these 3.1nes weuld. .
'.....e zlorit weleone end that CIA security itself cor.stantiy engaged in reseal-oh to. '
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extre.-.aly severe security mu:cures in co:inc.:V-1n with these ....lateen; that die-
-cessions along these lines was hsrcd. The writer_stated that ho horcd in �Ez-.0
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L. chot:ed a rather hecn intse:cst in this
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:rer.resentotion at this conference ras Instecescary. A creat deal of tiLle was waatcd � .
;-:..in e>7.1e.tining ele.acntrz.�j� th:Lotss and in acaevde discussions of the value of the ..- . .i .....,..
�'7,-palyrirerh Vzieh 'had no '....oaring en 1-�.r. work, socarit; :sitters � or other . . --.���!
-az-tents ntentioned abort". .I:r. - - - and r. .04i7rpccificr1ly r.int.cd out that.
p.olicy rzatterc 1.r.731-.-ing the mr.e of the inlyt,-rel...a crzle fro. ;I:If-in-Jr auth:�,rity and �
:- that their only conca= was in the sr.tecifio operation in the use of that instinniant.. -I
-.Zothlir,"r4r4Tajotkind 1:r.de held the tosition that the pol7rrapl1 as used by
-:Zecu.rity ca is a -re.ry effective 1:2ZpC.1.1 from. a security point of vicr.r. Both
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